How do we help our kids realize their college dreams without taking on tons of debt? Education strategist Jeannie Burlowski joins allmomdoes host Julie Lyles Carr to talk ideas and simple changes that can help make it possible.
Interview Links:
- Jeannie Burlowski | Facebook | Twitter
- Upromise.com
- Career Assessments – Meyers Briggs, Strong Interest Inventory, Strength Finders 2.0 / Clifton Strengths Assessment
- Raising An Original
- Dual Credit Information – Google “Dual Credit” and the “Name of State”
- Get a copy of Jeannie’s book “Launch: How to Get Your Kids Through College Debt Free and Into Jobs They Love Afterward“
Transcription:
Julie Lyles Carr: [01:07:12] I’m Julie Lyles Carr. You’re listening to the allmomdoes podcast part of the Christian parenting podcast network. Today on the allmomdoes podcast I’m Julie Lyles Carr. I have Jeannie Burlowski and she is, I gotta tell ya, she’s going to save you lots of money. She’s got lots of ideas when it comes to taking your kids into a successful launch from your home.
Jeannie thanks so much for being with me today.
Jeannie Burlowski: [01:07:33] Oh, it’s great to be here. And I’m excited that we’re not just going to talk about getting kids through college debt free, but we’re also going to talk about how faith intersects with that.
Julie Lyles Carr: [01:07:42] Right? Absolutely. So that is really your brand, girl. This is what people know you for, are your ideas around getting your kids through college debt-free but you know one of the things that’s interesting, Jeannie, as we have parents listening, who are
already feeling the burden. I mean, they have just brought that new baby home from the hospital and they’re thinking, Oh wow. I have all the things at everything that I’m now having to learn and take on with little kids and just getting used to that baby stage. Or maybe I’ve just got toddlers. When do I have to start thinking about this?
And some of them are going to think, Oh, I bet she’s going to say before you ever got pregnant, but you have a different strategy. You have a different way of looking at this. So no matter what age or stage parents are in right now, What do you have to say about when we need to start thinking about these things?
Jeannie Burlowski: [01:08:30] No matter the age or the stage of the kids or the parents, parents feel flashes of a little bit of anxiety and trepidation about how am I going to launch this kid into a not only debt free college, but into a career that they love. And parents start to feel this the first time their toddler builds up a block tower and knocks it over.
And the parent thinks, Oh, no engineering school, how much is that going to cost? So for parents who to think about this and even a fleeting way, I like for parents to jump in and do something they can do to feel empowered. For example, when the kids are tiny, when they’re even when they’re newborns, if this is flitting across your mind, you can go to upromise.com.
And I, this is not my website. I have nothing to do with this. And by the way, don’t get the credit card that’s advertised there. But what you can do is you can hook up your drug store loyalty card and your, your grocery store loyalty card to upromise.com, u and then the word promise and every single time you buy diapers or baby formula or a little clothes, or you buy anything at all at a drug store or grocery store, a little portion of that goes into college savings.
Julie Lyles Carr: [01:09:41] Wow.
Jeannie Burlowski: [01:09:42] You can save that up little by little. And so parents are thinking. Right now I’m buying groceries, but you know, I’m also contributing to my kids’ college savings and it’s not even one penny out of their pocket. I didn’t think of this idea, but for parents who access it early, they feel like rock stars.
Julie Lyles Carr: [01:09:59] Absolutely. I mean, what a great way, because I know in the early days when Mike and I had our first child, I mean, Jeannie, there was nothing left over to stick anywhere and it wasn’t that we weren’t disciplined. It wasn’t that we weren’t living by a budget. We were there just wasn’t anything left at the end of the day.
So for something to be able to connect like that and create this situation where you’re beginning to accrue some funds for college, no matter what age your kid is, I think that’s just a fantastic tip.
Jeannie Burlowski: [01:10:26] Let’s take advantage of it.
Julie Lyles Carr: [01:10:27] Right, right. Now, when you talk about getting kids through college, debt-free.
I’m sure. A lot of parents thoughts go do me immediately to, Oh, we must be talking about scholarships. Like she’s got some kind of scholarship system that she works, but that’s really not what’s going on. So how distinguish that for us? Are you talking about scholarships or do you have something else a foot that’s really to help parents in this situation?
Jeannie Burlowski: [01:10:50] Well, my writing and my speaking is mainly for parents and students who think, Oh, our students, aren’t going to get scholarships. They’re either going to be stubborn and not want to apply for them. Or they think our grades and our test scores are too low. And so I specialize in strategies that have nothing to do with scholarships, nothing to do with
saving up money in advance out of your own pocket strategies that have nothing to do with squeezing financial aid money from the government. All of those things are good and they can be helpful in moderation, but parents need something else. They need additional strategies, a whole buffet of strategies so that they can feel really empowered.
As they move towards their, uh, their kids getting out of the house, getting into college or trade school is also a really viable option. And just a minute ago, Julie, you asked me about when should parents start and really the serious nitty gritty kind of starting it’s easiest if parents will start when kids are in middle school and just about 90 minutes, Of debt-free college strategy when kids are in seventh and eighth grade.
And what we’re able to do is lay some foundation so that everything that comes after that is easy and seamless, and parents are able to just jump into a feeling of we’ve got this. We may not have an lot of money in our pockets. We don’t have a lot left at the end of the month, but our kids are really headed somewhere
that’s going to be fantastic.
Julie Lyles Carr: [01:12:20] Right. Right. I love that you brought up trade school also because, you know, Jeannie, I’m seeing a lot, you know, my dad and mom were so big into education and they were the first ones of their families who went to college of those generation of kids. And my in-laws were the same way.
And so college for me was just a foregone conclusion. Like this is, I mean, That you’re going to do this. Like, I, I never entertained another thought, but we have so many other options now that are really interesting, including trade school. And then we’re seeing a lot of online certification programs, which are also very powerful.
We’ve done both traditional college for some of our kids. We’ve done online college for some of our kids, which has been a home run for them. There are so many more options out there today than there used to be. How do you feel about all those options? And in that, the other thing I’m noticing too, sometimes Jeannie, is that parents really get convinced that traditional four year university is the only way to go.
So what are you seeing in all of that? Do we need to open our minds up a little bit more? Is there still a little bit more of a, you know, little check Mark, if you actually do go to a four year typical university, what are you seeing in all the trends in that.
Jeannie Burlowski: [01:13:31] Well, you’re right. That parents who come from they come from good families.
There, they come from four year university educations themselves. They put that expectation on their child and sometimes parents feel like our societal expectation is that if you have a smart child, they will go to four year college. But actually Gallup research shows that 48% of people who get liberal arts degrees regret
they’re educational choices so I’m going to just give your listeners the number one best way I know to save $50,000 on college. And what you want to do is you want to avoid a situation where you have a son or a daughter that would make an excellent construction engineer or an air traffic controller or a fantastic construction manager, let’s say, or it could be a plumber or it could be an electrician, but somehow that person gets pushed into an English major and a liberal arts education.
And what happens is they come out with their English major or their political science degree, and then they think I can’t get a job. So I’m going to go back and do college over again. Hey, mom and dad, would you be glad to pay $50,000 extra for me to go back and do college again? That’s what we want to avoid.
And so one of my best strategies is I really, and Julie, you and I are right on the same page with this. I really recommend that parents look at their kids as an original. Yeah. Look at their kids and, and help them in about 10th grade. Age 15 is about the optimal time. I want parents to have kids take three career assessments, not the ones at the high school.
The ones at the high school that are scored by a robot tend to not be accurate. These would be career assessments with a certified person and I don’t do this myself. I have to refer out for it. But students who take assessments like the Myers-Briggs type indicator, the strong interest inventory, the strengths finder, 2.0 assessment, which is now called the Clifton strengths assessment. Students who take those.
And then we have one, a certified person to converge them. What happens is students are able to clarify the bullseye on the target before they take aim and shoot. So goal is not one wasted class, not one wasted dollar, right? Parents love this. One is that it just saves a tremendous amount of money. It saves a lot of time and a lot of heartache, but here’s what I love about it.
It helps students in their relationships with their parents because their parents are able to look at the kids and kid and say, You know what you’re actually really amazing. You are an original look at how all these things about your personality type in your interests and your strengths are coming together and you would be amazing at this in your future.
And so parents who start looking at their kids as capable and competent and gifted, uh, every kid is gifted. There’s not a single one that’s not. . And then let’s talk for a second about how this intersects with faith. Students who are able to look at themselves and see here’s my personality type, beautifully wound and threaded together with my interests and my God given strengths that are showing up on that Clifton strengths assessment, which is developed by Gallup.
They’re able to see how they are created. And so then when they stand in front of God at church or at youth group, they have this picture of themselves that I am created for a purpose. And I may not be like my parents. Or my cousins, or I may not be like anyone else I know. I may be in a logical family and I’m incredibly empathetic, but that’s a gift that I have
and it’s because I have a certain purpose in this life. And I love that you are the author of raising and original and it’s available in audio book or it’s available in paperback. And this whole idea that you come from as the mom of eight kids that your kids are created for a purpose they’re created as an original.
And you’ve got a whole book that talks about how to pull that out of your kids so that you can parent them in an original kind of a way. And so what am I doing this we’re able to find out pretty early on. Should the kid go to trade school? Right? Could be the valedictorian of the high school class, and we needs to be going to trade school because they’re going to be building skyscrapers someday.
And you don’t learn that in a typical four year college education.
Julie Lyles Carr: [01:18:12] Right. Right. You know, it’s, it’s so true that we. In valuing education and we should, I mean, it opens doors, you and I both know that world history completely changed when we introduced literacy and we had now these open doors to learning that we’d never had before.
So I never want it to sound like I’m diminishing it. But part of what began to happen is we had a lot of square pegs get shoved into round holes because we thought that college was going to answer all of the questions for everybody. That college was going to open all the doors that were supposed to be opened.
And it can. I mean, I am definitely a kid who benefited by her parents getting to take that collegiate journey and it changed things dramatically in my family line. However, college today is a very different gate than it used to be. And because of that, we don’t always see kids coming out of college with the job assured with super clarity on where they’re supposed to be headed.
And that becomes a really interesting challenge when you’ve invested a lot in that way. I read somewhere recently that the typical college freshmen is going to change their major five times. And I think that moms and dads need to see dollar signs after every change that occurs. I still want my kids to change majors if they need to don’t get me wrong.
But this whole place of sending them in still under the auspices of, well, when they were seven, they said they wanted to be a veterinarian that can get the price up really fast. So how you’ve you’ve spoken to this. What do you find the savings to be on the backside when parents do. More of this preparatory work.
And by preparatory, I’m not talking about just getting good scores on the act and the sat I’m talking about really doing an excavation of who your kid truly is before we launched them into pretty high dollar venture when it comes to college these days.
Jeannie Burlowski: [01:20:03] Right. And students are hearing from the time that they’re quite young and this phrase has been around for decades.
Oh, don’t worry about what you want to do when you’re done. Just take random college classes to see what you’re interested in. If you like your economics class, maybe you should be an economist. No, maybe you liked your economics class because your economics teacher was smart and funny.
Julie Lyles Carr: [01:20:26] Or there was a cute guy in there.
I don’t know. Maybe, maybe that was just me.
Jeannie Burlowski: [01:20:31] That kind of thinking is sorely off track. And it’s leading to mountains of student loan debt for students. What we want to go for is not one wasted dollar, not one wasted class and maybe in the seventies we had to just take random college classes to see what we’re interested in, but this is the 21st century.
We have technology, we have assessments and we have real human people who are trained to interpret these assessments and help students to figure out where they really might be headed. If I had a way, if I could change the educational system, I would make every college freshmen first semester, I would make them take a one credit class where they take these career assessments.
They could write a paper on three careers they might be good at. And then they’re required to go out and job shadow and write papers about those experiences. This could be life changing, right? And for families who are families of faith, this whole discussion becomes not so much about money and how are you going to get rich when you’re done,
although some kids will, uh, this had becomes a discussion about what is your calling, how do you find out what your calling is? You look at what’s true about yourself already. How are you created? How is your personality type woven and threaded together with your interests and your strengths? If there’s one thing that can make a team say, I am a created being with a calling on my life and a purpose.
It’s looking at themselves in this. I like how you said you excavate, who you really are. You understand it, your parents understand it. You’re able to express it to other people.
Julie Lyles Carr: [01:22:11] And then college becomes more of a tool and an effective tool when you are equipped in that way. You know, my husband, Mike and I, with the eight kids, we have absolutely bought into your train and your message about getting our kids through college debt-free.
And I know some parents who their concept is, well, the kids will go to college and they can manage college debt. They can take loans. They can do all of that. Give me a snapshot of where we are at right now in America when it comes to college debt, because it certainly seems like I still have friends, even at the age and stage of life that I am, who are just now getting things paid off and looking at, having to take on more, to get their kids through.
I have friends who for many years stayed in a career they didn’t enjoy because they had really oppressive college debt. So. What are we seeing as a culture? And why is it important to try to get them through as best we can without debt on their part or our part?
Jeannie Burlowski: [01:23:08] Well, where I really been able to see this is I spent 30 years as an academic strategist, which you know, so I do consulting where people come to me for help applying to law school, medical school, graduate school, business school.
And I can’t tell you the times I’ve had to say to someone, you actually can’t go to medical school now. Because you have so much debt from undergrad, that when you add on the medical school debt, you could never pay it back on a doctor salary. We have to find some kind of other career that you could be equally happy at that you could do.
And I’ve had people crying in my office and this is not why I signed up for this career so that I could watch people crying. And sometimes I would say, How did you run up $180,000 in student loan debt in undergrad and people tell me, well, my parents or my guidance counselor, or this one really burns me, a really expensive educational consultant hired by the family at a very high dollar amount.
They told me I went to the fancy college that wasn’t giving me any financial help and cost an arm and a leg. I would have a better chance of getting into medical school. Yeah. And I know that’s not even true because I help people get into medical school who went to joe-blow-podunk-drinking school. And it’s not even hard for me to do that.
So this kind of misinformation is going out through the culture and it’s leading to a lot of kids graduating from undergrad, even if they don’t have the huge burdensome, $180,000 in debt. There w typically kids are walking out with 29 to $34,000 in debt, and you might think, Oh, that’s not that bad. They can just write a check every month.
But when the interest starts piling up and piling up, that’s where you have students go into income-based repayment plans. And some of them are signing up for programs where they’re going to be paying an indentured servitude. Right. To student loans, some of them until they’re 45 years old, still paying on these things.
And we hear stories about how, because of the way the interest piles on we’re hearing about people who’ve paid and paid and paid, and now they owe more than they did when they graduated. So what I want to do is I want to send a message in a bottle back to parents who are in seventh, got their kids in seventh or eighth grade
and I want to say, this does not have to be the story for your kid. There are actually many, many strategies that parents can use that have nothing to do with scholarships, financial aid, or saving up money in advance. Super clever things like dual enrollment or working for a company that has two wish and reimbursement or co-op college programs, which are just one of my favorite things on the planet.
And parents can use these. Get their kids through college debt-free or through technical school, debt-free and then the kid stands there, throwing the cap into the air off of the college graduation stage and the world is open to them. They can afford to go to medical school. They can afford to go to law school or graduate school or wherever it is that they want to go.
Julie Lyles Carr: [01:26:16] Right. We have engaged dual credit for our kids. So all of our kids have done dual credit toward the end of their homeschool experience, and this can still be done in the public high school platform. And where we happen to live has a great relationship for dual credit. And so our kids at the time they’ve graduated from high school, have all basically been college, sophomores or juniors, depending on you know, where, how far they were able to get.
And we’ve used that dual credit as their education piece from the time they were 16 to 18. What’s interesting to me though. Jeannie is sometimes people have looked at us a little sideways and gone. Well, yeah, but that was community college. There’s kind of a weird pride that can take place sometimes when it comes to college education. What’s funny is in the community in which we live
we have a lot of professors from the very notable university in town who Moonlight at our community college locations, it’s been like, well, so I mean, you know, if I can get the nice handbag at the outlet store, I don’t have to go to the flagship store. I’m fine. I still get to have the nice handbag.
That’s kind of my field sometimes when it comes to these educational components. The other thing that we’ve found that’s been really interesting at the community college level is some of my kids’ favorite professors. Have been at the college community level. Do you think that this is one of those great secrets that people sometimes overlook out of a sense of
well, it doesn’t count quite as much or it’s community college. Like how do you see that play out in some of the decisions that are being made?
Jeannie Burlowski: [01:27:45] Well, those people who are looking sideways at community college, they are not academic strategists. Right. And academic strategists like me sitting all day long, helping people get into highly competitive PhD programs, medical schools, law schools.
I can tell you there is never, I have never once in three decades of doing this, seen an instance where community college held a person back. People who go to community college and then they take those credits and they transfer them to it four year college or university, if that’s what they’re going to, that’s the degree they’re going to need,
they tend to do really, really well. And I’m so enthusiastic about this. I wrote an article called kin community college lead to a master’s degree. Oh, not only can it lead to a master’s degree could lead to a PhD. It can lead to an MD. It can do anything. And students who have gone this route, they have. Um, they they’ve come back to me and said, I actually really loved it because my professors have small classes.
My professors knew me many times. My professors were adjunct professors, which meant they were out working in the real world and then they were coming in to teach some classes. So I got to network and know someone that’s actually working in the field I want to work with someday. That led me to job shadowing and volunteering in my future career field.
So, uh, people like me in the profession, I’m in, we know enough to not look askance at community college. And the choice that you and your husband made is not going to hinder your kids one single bit. Especially because you raised them as originals.
Julie Lyles Carr: [01:29:23] I appreciate that.
Jeannie Burlowski: [01:29:24] It’s good that he didn’t know who they are.
And so to a great extent, they were able to clarify the bullseye on the target before they take aim and shoot. You’re not going to force your introverted child to be in some kind of a job that is highly extroverted in nature with a lot of interruptions and a lot of noise and talking all the time.
You’ve got language to describe that child and what they love and what they’re good at and what they’re, what environments they thrive in and you March them toward that goal. And if community college is a part of that story, bless them. Great way to save money, really.
Julie Lyles Carr: [01:30:03] We found it to be really fantastic in our community.
And I know not everyone has access to that in their communities, but if you haven’t checked it out, you should, because it has been really fantastic. And of the kids we’ve launched and who’ve gotten their degrees, it was great. Like everybody’s done just fine. So I can give you that right off is in terms of it’s a valid, valid system.
Jeannie Burlowski: [01:30:23] Let’s just say worried about dual credit in 44 States, nationwide students are allowed to take real college classes for real college credit while they’re in high school and they could be juniors. They could be seniors. Now this is 44 States. In some places that’s called dual credit. Sometimes it’s called dual enrollment.
Sometimes it’s called concurrent enrollment, but your listeners can find out if this is available in their state and they can have access to this, whether they homeschool, whether their kids are in private school, whether their kids are in public school. All they have to do is Google the name of their state and the words, dual enrollment, or try it again and do it
name of your state and concurrent enrollment. You’ll get to your state’s department of education website that walks you through all the rules in your state and Julie, what your family found out. I think this is true, right? That your state paid for it.
Julie Lyles Carr: [01:31:15] Yes. Correct.
Jeannie Burlowski: [01:31:16] A lot of fees, all the tuition, everything.
So here’s the brilliant Julie Lyles Carr, eight kids. A lot of walking across their stage at their high school graduation with two years of college already done. Well, if we sat down at the spreadsheet and counted up how much money you saved by doing that, it’s brilliant.
Julie Lyles Carr: [01:31:36] Well, it’s been a real blessing to us.
And again, It, it does take being willing to rewire the sense of Oh, community college. Like you have to lay some pride down. And that leads me to this question, Jeannie, within the faith space for people, I have families in my life I adore, and it’s so easy for us to slide into this when I listened to their concerns and worries about their kids getting into the right colleges and getting into the right degree program and making sure that they make the right connections.
This is not a judgment statement on my part, my heart aches for them. I could be easily in the same position with some of my kids too. I get it. But. Sometimes, I think we’re in danger of making college, something of an idol when it comes to our kids’ futures, when it comes to the purpose that God has given them on this planet.
How do you manage that when you’re working with families as an educational strategist to yes, embrace the importance of continuing education, making sure we’re equipping kids who are gifted in a certain way with the education they need. But keep it from becoming something that seems to hold more power over our kids’ futures than God himself.
How do you, how do you help people with that?
Jeannie Burlowski: [01:32:50] Oh, right. And I’m gonna read a quote here on the subject of idolatry. And this comes from Tim Keller. He says an idol is whatever you look at and say in your heart of hearts, if I have that, then I’ll feel my life has meaning. And then I’ll know I have value.
And then I’ll feel significant and secure. Idols are the things that rattle us when they’re threatened. And what I prefer for families is that they think in terms of, uh, Exodus two, where God said to Moses, what is that your hand? And it was a shepherd staff and you know, that shepherd staff to Moses represented his income, his influence and his identity.
It’s exactly the same thing. Our college education tends to represent to us in our culture. And God said, throw that down in front of me, dedicate it, put it in front of me and see what I will do with it. Now God, didn’t say to Moses, take that stick and go to Stanford. To go to the University of Virginia for law school, it was throw it down before almighty God and see what happens and what happened was Moses threw that thing down
and the Bible says it became a snake, which kind of freaked me out when I was a little girl in Sunday school. But what you need to hear is that it became alive. And when he picked it back up again and it became a stick in his hand, again, he never looked at it exactly the same way. And whether your kids have community college experience, whether they go to technical school, whether they go to a state university or go to some little regional college down the street, or whether they end up at Stanford or somewhere like that. If they have thrown that down, Before the Lord of hosts and said, I want you to do something great with this.
There is no telling what could happen to that. Kid. Parents are suffering a little bit because they’d heard this adage, which is not true. Kids start hearing this when they’re in eighth grade and parents then start repeating it. If you don’t get into a good college, you won’t be able to get a good job when you graduate.
That’s not even true. Don’t we all know people who went to so-called bad colleges and they have fantastic jobs. So what we were trying to do is we’re trying to break this idea that you have to go to a good school. That, that whole idea, you know, we don’t let people to go to for-profit institutions. If you go on collegedata.com and you scroll to see the type of school it is, if it says P R O F T that’s how
spell it for profit schools. We run away from those. We never look back. We do not do those, but if it’s not a for-profit school and it’s not the big brand name, fancy school. When I say to parents is, if you are thinking that your, uh, if your kid gets into the front seat of a Mercedes, it’s gotta be going somewhere interesting.
Well, what I say is a beat up Toyota can get you somewhere interesting if you know where you’re going.
Julie Lyles Carr: [01:36:02] Right, right. All about that intention and thinking about it strategically ahead of time. I love that name. There’s a whole realm that’s developing now that’s really interesting. My oldest daughter has two degrees from university of Texas and worked within those degrees for quite a while, but then she went on to get certification in doing coding.
And it was very interesting, the certification process. I think it was maybe a 12 week or maybe it was four or five months. I can’t remember now, but she went in and she did this. She kind of put her career on pause, went in and did this training and certification. And now she’s working in that arena. And what’s fascinating.
Jeannie is she has people around her who also have four year degrees or, you know, went one direction and a completely different direction for college, but then went and did the certification or people who don’t really have that much college. Who did the certification and it’s a really robust and beautiful career doors, wide open she’s thriving in it.
There is more and more out there now about these type of certification programs that are coming down the pike. So what are you seeing as a strategist that excites you and the things that we need to be looking for trend wise when it comes to this? Because we’ve talked about trade school, we’ve talked about college, but there’s sort of a whole new Avenue that’s beginning to open up.
That’s pretty fascinating.
Jeannie Burlowski: [01:37:21] Yes. And Google has these boot camps that are for coding. Salesforce also has a process that you can go through that starts with the bootcamp. You become an administrator, and then if you want to, you work your way up, and this is exciting. There are some students who are thinking I really don’t want to go to college.
I chaffe at the very idea of it. And if they will do the career assessments we’ve talked about today and figure out that actually software engineering, computer science. Coding programming might be a good fit for them. There are alternate ways to go other than just being a four year computer science major.
And one of the reasons this is out there is because we have such a desperate need for people who are going to do do the coding. We’re going to build the, the digital infrastructure that we need for tomorrow. And here we are at the tail end of the pandemic. We’re recording this in the spring of 2021. And what’s about to happen is an explosion of development in this country.
Pent up demand is going to mean that we have an explosion of building things, accessing things, providing things and the, we need engineers and we need people who can code and software engineers to do that. And so the path is being made for people to be able to access that faster. And what I love about what your daughter did is in her future, she may be able to take her four year degree discipline and intersect it with her coding ability.
Right. And she may be able to bring both of those skills together. When she goes into a job interview, people will say to her, you have all of this plus you know how to code? Oh my goodness. We have to have you here. We want to, we, we want to give you a special office where you have free food and coffee, and we’re going to have a volleyball court outside can to keep you here because you are so valuable.
Julie Lyles Carr: [01:39:19] Yeah, I think all those trends are really exciting. I’m seeing more and more of that come to bear. And again, just the beauty of being willing to kind of break out of the box, think of it in different ways that college doesn’t mean taking on tremendous debt. It doesn’t always mean the traditional four year path
and yet there’s so many ways to get tools into our kids’ hands. Jeannie Burlowski, you’re just the best you’re so effervescent and bubbly. The book is called LAUNCH: How to Get Your Kids Through College Debt-Free and Into Jobs They Love Afterward. Jeanie, thank you so much for being with me today. I know that you’re going to make a tremendous difference in the lives of a lot of our listeners, those moms who have just had that first baby and brought them home from the hospital to those moms who are looking towards senior year going, what do we do now?
So thank you so much for your time today.
Jeannie Burlowski: [01:39:59] Great to be here.
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